A Consistent Rationality in Religion (Exploring The Genesis Perspective on Origins)
The Bible predicted 2000 years ago, the present “Creation-Evolution” debate.
This fact alone, proves God “exists,” and that He had provided the Bible-writers the truth.
This prophecy further proves that God has protected the Bible’s truth down through the centuries.
Summarized - God revealed this about Evolutionists:
1. “Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:22
2. They would willingly support falsehood - Quote: "....because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT excuse." - Romans 1:20
3. They would claim that Mankind came from animals, not made in the Image of God - Romans 1:22-23
A. Quote: "Professing to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures" - Romans 1:22-23
4. The prophecy foretelling the Creation-Evolution debate provides the exact basis, they would become “..... "... FUTILE in their speculations..." - Romans 1:21
5. God is precise about their "false premise," within their "speculations." They would claim - "... For from the time the fathers fell asleep all things remain thus from the beginning of the creation. ..." 2 Peter 3:4
A. Thus, God foretold the exact error in their reasoning, which is the claim, that "The Present Is The Key To The Past..." - (a not provable claim and a “false premise”).
6. God foretold the reason for their acceptance of this "false premise" as a means of self-serving ideology, that had nothing to do with observable “facts.”
A. They would deny the world-wide flood - " For when they maintain THIS, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was DESTROYED, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men." - 2 Peter 3:5
7. He warned the world, 2000 years ago, that claiming God is a liar, brings God's wrath, ".... “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who SUPPRESS THE TRUTH in unrighteousness," - Romans 1:18
Taking a close look at the Creation-Evolution debate begins with a parable (below) as it is able to clarify the foundational error within the reasoning of evolutionists.
Taking A Walk Within Genesis
The Scene - Genesis, Chapter 1:
The scene we approach is an already created world. It is a fully functioning system (untold numbers of systems within systems).
When we arrive as imaginary spectators to this historical scene, we find two adult human beings standing in an incredibly beautiful garden paradise. God has finished His creating work.
At this point, we will position God having left earth and gone to His Home - outside space and time - Thus, God is inaccessible to the intruding scientists - as He is not accessible to the methodology in science today.
Two 21st Century scientists, who accept evolution ideas, fall into the first week of Time and wake up to look around, startled by the extraordinary beauty and wealth of living things all around them.
Everything is bigger and more abundant than they had ever seen or imagined. They look up at the ten foot tall human beings and stare, stunned at their beauty and strength.
"She looks no more than seventeen years old" said one evolutionist. "I doubt that, she must be at least twenty-five years old," said the other.
Startled by the conversation coming from under the dense shrubbery, Adam separated the thick growth that were shielding the two intruders.
The first scientist asked Eve, "How, huh...old are you, anyway?"
Eve threw back her lush tresses and laughed, "I'm one day and an hour old. Everything you see came into being this week."
The two evolutionists were speechless!
Thinking about this information for a few seconds, they stood up, looked around again and the scientist near Eve, said, "That's impossible! You are not an infant, you are a full-grown woman!"
The other scientist concluded, "This place must be billions of years old. It is filled with complexity and organization and rivers and animals of all kinds."
Adam, shook his head and smiled, "No, God made everything you see, this week. We asked Him why He took so long. He said He did that for us [Exodus 23:12]. You are welcome to wait and ask God, He'll be back! He is resting today"
The two scientists looked intently at Eve, "If you are a day and an hour old, how do youknow that all of this came into being within 6 days?"
Eve looked carefully at each scientist, and replied, "God told us."
When the Bible document titled "Hebrews" was written, no human being could prove by any means known to Mankind at that time, that the worlds were made of things "not visible."
During and before that time in history (2000 years ago), Mankind explored his/her world via means of human experience and examination of things that are "visible" to the human eye.
The believers in the Biblical God had believed what He revealed to them because of His willingness to verify His authority to wear the name of "God" (their faith was never based on blind acceptance but through seeing with their own eyes and experiencing His actions in time and space).
The word, "faith" in Hebrews 3:11 comes from a Greek word, "pistis," meaning, "persuasion"... "credence.." both words represent the use of reason examining "evidence" by which people accepted a thing to be true or false.
Examination Of Our World By Science Methodology Is Limited To The Here And Now
It is Impossible To Use Any Present-day scientific Methodology On this Fully-Functioning Universe And Obtain Reliable Results Regarding The Time of Its Origins.
There is no modern scientific method through which Adam and Eve's world could have been reliably examined by 21st Century scientific methodology looking for its age (or the ages of Adam and Eve).
When encountering an up and running, fully functioning universe, there is no empirical method of examination that will provide accurate information regarding ages.
The tree rings are formed in mature trees. The human inhabitants are adults. The animals and fish are mature, reproducing after their own kind. The rivers are flowing and in place at the level God placed them.
It doesn't help the inherent limitations of science research to claim that to accept that there is a God... is mere blind "belief" (as though because it is grounded in history and consistent with logic it is without evidence).
Science is limited to that which can be examined within its methodology.
It is not equal to God.
Again, the Bible speaks forth within a rational perspective.
Within human experience and logic - nothing comes from nothing - The mind of man within his experience and use of reason understands that there is always a cause for a result.
Historical witness that is rational and consistent within its context, reasonably invites a closer intellectual examination of its claims.
In science, speculation without empirical evidence to support what is being claimed, must - because of the definition of science - remain an idea, outside of the jurisdiction and ability of science.
The historical information within the Bible is stated to be eye-witness evidence.
The God of the Bible claims to have always existed (and that He stands outside Time and Space).
He further claims that He is the Designer and Creator Who made the decision to act within Time and Space.
This historical witness regarding the creation of all things, begins its narrative within a rational premise. It does not begin with the world sitting on top of a turtle.
It does not begin with non-intelligence.
It tells the account of creation as being a result of the free-will choice and power of an eternal God.
This historical witness (the referenced biblical documents) provides an Origins account which results in a fully-functioning universe designed and formed through intelligent design, created by the Intelligent Designer ( Who is Greater in power than that which He has Created).
There is nothing within this historical account of the creation event and the forthcoming moral fall of Mankind, it describes, that is incompatible with the world we have been born into.
It is factually inescapable that science is inherently limited in ability to know or prove what took place during the origins of the universe or to be able to find through scientific methods the AGE of the universe or the earth's AGE.
Historically, the biblical account of the creation of the world, provides enough rational information that allows a search for the personal God behind the content, to begin.
The idea that emerges from the blind acceptance of some scientists who accept an evolution idea that God was not there at the moment of all beginnings is an intellectually weak and not provable postulate (Postulate, is defined as, to demand, claim, require).
What about the long half-life process in specific radioactive elements? Doesn't that scientifically prove long ages and support evolutionary ideas regarding origins?
Half-life: The period required for the disintegration of half of the atoms in a sample of a specific radioactive element.
Scientific methodology is limited to the examination of functioning processes that are now taking place.
Every scientist approaches the "half-life" process within radioactive material without knowing at what moment it began the half-life function.
It is assumed by evolutionists that the process of radioactive decay was taking place within original elements.
Within logic and the historical claims of God, the long-ages of some radioactive decay "rates" are no more "evidence" of long-ages in human "time," than the logic within the parable above regarding the 21st century "evolutionists" dropping into the creation week.... testing the speed-of-light, and claiming God must have lied to Adam and Eve because "science" proves that light took billions of years to reach the earth.
The parable's message is this most fundamental point.... God is NOT constrained by human time.
Another way of stating this idea, is that the measurement re the speed of light (within the first week of creation) reveals the POWER of God and cannot be defined a "time-clock" re "human-time" He took to create the universe/world.
It is a fallacy of reasoning, to believe God has to be constrained or restrained by the physical laws He brought into being for the world/universe (He created those laws to benefit Mankind, and He is not controlled by them).
Within the historical context of revealed information, the Time the half-life process began functioning is when God cursed the world (initiating death and decay on all things).
This event took place when Mankind made a choice against God as rightful Lawgiver.
It would be a reasonable consequence for the stabilizing elements of the creation to lose stability at the moment of God's curse upon His, hijacked creation (by the Father of lies, Satan - John 8:11), and that which had been made to last as long as TIME expressed "stability," began to lose its time constant.
Death entered the universe at God's curse upon the creation.
The universe and all that exists within it, lost its eternality.
Because God's curse upon the universe is expressed by the loss of its "eternality" (through the decay of elements) does not prove it took billions of time-years to "create" the universe and all that it is within it.
Man is not God.
The logic (within historical information) suggests that the long-ages accepted within decay-rates are evidence of its original state of eternal stability.... lost ... and can not be a time "clock" showing the movement of "time" created for Mankind.
Within rational consistency, this examination of the Origins Debate, leads to a specific legitimate response to an evolution perspective of origins - from within science and religion, is - that there is no rational, scientific or historical reason to question any portion of the creation account in Genesis or to question any reference to world-wide events as described in the rest of the early documents.
People who find the historical evidence for God overwhelming, have a rationally consistent basis to refuse to intellectually cower before a non-rational idea of origins claimed by some scientists who work within a limited, imprisoned in the here-and-now, methodology (for seeking out factual information about the world they live in).
The paragraph above may sound like a summary, but there is more historically interesting information to consider (below).
Appreciating The Logic Within The Historical Documents
The referenced documents under question are logical within context and do not present the illogic of present-day (or past) evolutionary scientists.
Let's consider for instance,the writer of Hebrews (New Testament document), who understood the limitations of his human-ness.
The author of Hebrews, rightly understood that the person who sought out origins information is imprisoned within his/her mortality. His reasoning is impeccable (without error).
The New Testament document, Hebrews 11:3, carries none of the false ideas within evolutionary science (such as, the false idea that Man would or could have the ability to understand origins processes or events).
The writer of Hebrews denies this possibility: He writes, "By faith [a reasoned out "belief" for why we see what we see] we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3
2000 years ago, this writer correctly understood (the writer of this early Biblical document believed what God was telling him through the Holy Spirit) that all things are made out of things which are not visible to the human eye.
A true statement about the world that was not proven to be true within any ability of mankind at that time (the concept of examining the world through a system of empirical methodology was unknown).
Science with its methods through which it can now see the not, visible, couldn't express the reality of (or importance of) the resident design of our gene structure - DNA - any better.
The author of the book of Hebrews rightly understood that it is rational to understand the limitations of his own (and our) humanity.
This flawless logic continues in Romans 1:19, where it is stated that to deny an intelligent First Cause is irrational (although, the writer does not end his argument here):
Romans 1:20 - 22 "...because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,..." End of Quote
This First Century author, tells his readers that the people he is writing about will become FOOLS IN THEIR THINKING!
"....they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened..."
Professing to be wise, they became fools,..."
This passage is consistent and accurate regarding those things Mankind cannot find out by any method of investigation known to Man (regarding the beginning processes during the creation of the world)
A Bible Reader has no reason to not recognize this passage as a clear prophecy regarding the emergence of evolutionary ideas by scientists who would emerge into the world long after this prophecy had been made.
The writer of this passage, further reveals the consequences of these wrong ideas on the people who accept them, "....they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened..."
SCIENCE is a recent (in Man's history) attempt to find out what is true in our world by using methods that provide empiricalevidence for what is to be concluded by careful research (it is a seeking to be WISE).
The author of Hebrews wrote in the First Century about a time that would come when men would, ...professing to be wise, they became fools,...
The historical Biblical documents under examination provide further evidence that the writer of 2 Peter 3:3-7 foresaw precisely the evolutionary false premisewithin the evolution idea over 2000 years ago.
2 Pet 3:3-7 - " Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation." --
For when they maintain THIS, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men."
The historical documents under examination not only claim that modern evolutionary scientists cannot examine the processes that brought the universe into being, the author denies that the earth we are born onto today holds the original earthscape.
It challenges the false idea that the "...present is the key to the past" claiming that the original earthscape is NOT accessible to the methodology of science because the world-wide flood of history changed its original formation and content.
Logic and Science
There is no faulty logic used by the author of 2 Peter 3:3-7 - (New Testament Book) His written words, foreshadow (knowing something true before it happens) the arrival in the world of the deluding idea (that would appear 1800 years later) that "The present is the key to the past."
The belief that, The present is Key to the past, is outside the methodology of science (along with not being sound reasoning).
The statement has nothing to do with "science." The statement has no support within the methodology of science (it cannot be proven within science to be true).
It is without logic. It should not have been printed in documents of science effort or taught countless times within science classes and science publications.
James Hutton (1726-1797) and Charles Lyell who followed Hutton's non-reasoning position of, "principle of uniformity" went outside the foundations of science and jumped out into an imaginary space with an idea about the world that had nothing to do with science or reason.
Within Logic - the science of correct reasoning - the idea is equal to teaching that at the beginning of the earth it was carried on the back of a turtle floating in a cosmic sea.
The idea has no authority within reason. It is not based on reason and when considering the limited tools of science to this world, it is so far removed from the methodology and jurisdiction of science it can reasonably be placed into the category of delusion.
Delusion: "A deluding, a false belief or opinion.
Man Is Mortal
Only God Who stands outside Time and Space could make a statement such as, 'The Present Is The Key To The Past,' IF it were true .
No human being, who is locked inside Time and Space has any reason or authority to make it.
There Is No Such Illogic in The Biblical Documents.
The author of 2 Peter wrote, correctly, that it is not possible that the present is the key to the past.
There is nothing irrational or spoken with faulty logic regarding origins in the documents under examination.
Long before the idea of evolution arose within the world with its imagined idea that "The present is the key to the past," these historical documents spoke forth consistently within a rational perspective.
The Bible Documents Never Place Man On God's Throne (flawless logic).
The Logical Conclusions To The Search - For Intellectual Honesty within science is to respect the limitations of science methodology and admit to all its students that the jurisdiction of science or its methodology cannot include the ability to deny that God is there.
When Seeking Out a Consistent Rationality in Religion - it is a rational and historical position to refresh the biblical witness to its asserted right to its historical authority regarding Origins.
The early Biblical documents under examination provide a rational perspective regarding origins and meets the intellectual honesty and rational consistency required in the present Origins examination.
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The early documents of the Bible speak within logic and prophecy regarding this very public debate we have seen fulfilled in our time - Romans 1:18-21
It clearly provides rational evidence that God created the world.
For early Bible writers to have foreseen this present conflict between science and God within such precise accuracy can only be explained that they spoke by the authority of God.
The Bible claims to be God revealing truth to Mankind.... both as to how Mankind should live within the world and the legal consequences to Mankind for failure to believe and obey God.
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The Bible Defines The Morally Perfect Nature of God
"For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You. The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity." Psalms 5:4-5
God Must Judge All Sin... He Has Willingly and Painfully Paid The Legal Penalty For Your Sins.... (If You Will Accept His Offer...) Please Accept it!~ Acts 2:37-38
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One of the problems that emerged in the Body of Christ through-out time has been the taking of subject-matter out of the writer's context.
The Bible is God's response to specific issues of the day. It is not a library of "legal" decisions by God where a student goes to a specific issue (within a category) and finds the answer to his/her personal question.
Because the Bible writers were providing historical information within God's moral viewpoint and actions within history, God tells us to "...Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth" - 2 Timothy 2:15 -NAS
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